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Post by NMA on Jul 24, 2007 20:48:08 GMT
AA, dear all, dear oh dear oh dear. She got on the train, recognised someone she didn't want to recognise her, and used 2 strategies to achieve this aim- doning sunglasses which disguise appearance, and pushing herself back in her seat, which helped hide her from the other persons view as luckily, people were standing in appropriate positions. She further removed herself from the awkward position at the earliest possibility, as quickly as possible, by slipping off the train at the next station. I cannot prove that this is the reason behind the action, BUT, it fits all the evidence, and is the most likely answer. Some of you, Sana especially may feel a little cheated here, feel free to voice your opinions. There is much to learn from this, I shall post something shortly. If anyone has any questions, please post here. No question is stupid; it is better to post. Does everyone see why I say this is the answer? wslm NMA p.s. I guess in contrary to my previous post, I won't be locking this thread. It can go to a post mortem stage. Speaking of stages, the 7 stages puzzle remains unanswered also.
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Post by Sajjad on Jul 25, 2007 12:08:09 GMT
AA
Hmmm....does seem to make sense and fit....although if she saw some one she wanted to avoid on the train I would've thought she would get off and wait for the next one. Although in fairness the doors may have closed before she spotted this person. I have to say, your suggested explanation is a lot less difficult than I thought it would be and seems quite sensible....however it does go to show that based on fragments of evidence what's really important is asking the right questions and not necessarily having the right answers.....yeah I'm back in lab/science mode at the mo...couldn't tear myself away form the labs. Speaking of which I really ought to be running upstairs to do some intracellular staining....
WS
Saj
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Post by NMA on Jul 29, 2007 8:56:27 GMT
AA, exactly right, by the time she had found a seat and looked around the doors had closed. If anyone is wondering how this question was at all related to medicine, it is because diagnoses and this are exactly the same. An important learnign point for all is to know when to be specific and when to be general. Most of the attempts to answer honed into very specific responses, which whilst sometimes close, were not correct. So, when you have a piece of information you know, be very specific about it. And when you are trying to work our something you don't know, be very general in your conclusions- that way you don't miss anything. For example, if you see a patient who is short of breath, do not instantly jump to the conclusion that the patient is asthmatic. Consider causes under the headings: - cardiovascular system
- respiratory system
- haematological system
- normal
- an alternative not mentioned here
- a combination of any of the above.
This forms the basis of your differential list. Another other point is to follow up all leads until you have a solution where everything fits. If you have a provisional diagnosis that explains most, but not all of the symptoms and signs, it is most likely that you have missed something. Finally, as Saj has said, yes, this puzzle, and medicine, and in most cases in life, it is not important to have the answers, but to ask the right questions. Ah well, in this case the journey was more important than the destination. wslm NMA
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Post by Sana :) on Jul 30, 2007 20:04:43 GMT
Salam. Should I feel ''cheated''? I think i was thrown off track by your response to my ''celebrity trying not to be recognised'' theory, which was close and may have lead to the right answer with a little bit of encouragment. Regardless I think we have all learned from this ... so thanks Tc care ws
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Post by yasmin on Jul 31, 2007 2:40:57 GMT
Assalamu alaikum, sorry for recent lack of reply on this post, but i prob couldnt have got it anyway, i think most of us were thinkin of somthin medical an so jus focused on that stuff, forgettin other things in life. so jus shows need to stay openminded. AA, Finally, as Saj has said, yes, this puzzle, and medicine, and in most cases in life, it is not important to have the answers, but to ask the right questions. everyone keeps talkin about questions need to be askin, but what kind of questions are these, to ask in situations? and also, what wouldve been the best questions to ask in this puzzle? could other things for ur eg of differential diagnoses be things like metabolic disorders, such as acidosis, or diabetes, or other things like anaphylactic shock (what category would this be under, also metabolic?), could these go under ur list of other? as sana said, thanks for tryin to help us, an also puzzling us! next thing to solve...7 stages, hopefully we can learn from this; can i suggest, would it be possible for u to include a bullet point list listing briefly (very briefly) the things we should learn from this, and take onto the next puzzle! and any other situation, thanks, wasalam
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Post by NMA on Aug 4, 2007 23:37:51 GMT
AA, My turn to apologise for delay, just started new job in new town, first three days all on call, and no proper internet access established yet. eek. as I said earlier, in this case the journey was more important than the destination. Sana- do you mean the bit where you asked if she was a celebrity and I said I know not about celebrity and so couldn't say if she was or was not? not sure why that would throw you off. See my comment above. ask if you don't understand what it means. Yasmin- yeah, you could have gotten it. keeping an open mind is why you should always have the 'other' category in your mind/ differential list. For the example I gave about breathlessness, without talking about the merit of each in medical terms, any other condition / cause not mentioned falls under the 'other' category, so yes. Well, you have finally asked one. congrats. the right questions to ask in any given situation is one that addresses a piece of information you lack but require to better understand said situation. In other words, it's a way of sorting out confusion. When confronted with a puzzle you can't solve, or anything that is difficult to understand, you have to be able to be honest enough with yourself to identify WHY you can't solve the puzzle, or understand the confusion. Identifying (one of) the cause(s) of confusion presents you with a question that, if answered will clarify (some) things. I think that might be a little confusing, so let me know if it doesn't make sense, huh? 3 learning points then, as above; structure your thinking know what you know persevere. I could expand on these in time if you are unsure. wslm NMA
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