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Post by Sana :) on Oct 14, 2007 22:03:10 GMT
RUMS ISoc (UCL Medical School Islamic Society) presents (...for Charity Week for Orphans) GETTING INTO MEDICAL SCHOOL Are you or anyone you know thinking about medical school? Do you need advice on interviews and how to get in? Do you have questions you'd like to ask real medical students? Come along to see for yourself, get a tour, and we will talk you through the secrets to getting in. Saturday 3rd November.10AM - 3PM UCL Cruciform Building (Gower street) Tickets £20 (All proceeds go towards orphan aid via Islamic Relief.) Contact us to reserve your place now! charityweek.UCL@gmail.com www.rums-isoc.uclu.orgwww.uluisoc.com/charityweekwww.justgiving.com/charityweekfororphans |
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Post by shaffs on Nov 3, 2007 15:00:56 GMT
Salaam all
i have been getting calls on my mobile regarding the gettin into med school talk, which was sposed to be today? i spose that the word didnt get out that it had been cancelled.
im not really sure whats going on with this event but shirin mentioned that there is going to be something similar sometime early next yr? anyway i spoke to a sister who is a graduate and she thinks it would be really useful if we have info for grads who wanna apply. they dont have much info about how ucas and stuff works and what is expected of them? i think its a good idea. we could maybe get some grad students studying medicine to dish out advice.
Also i just wanna say that i wasnt aware that my number had been put on the poster for this event and no one told me it had either. i figured it out myself when i started getting calls from random ppl. ppl should really be informed that their no. is going on posters esp if these posters are going to be distributed in local mosques...and wherever else they went. im not comfortable with having my mobile no. distributed so widely.
wslm
shaffs
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Post by NMA on Nov 3, 2007 16:45:10 GMT
AA, I shouldn't have to say this, but no ones number should ever be put on any poster or advertising, only ISoc contact details. As for the event being cancelled, well, I cannot comment... there is nothing on here about it. And as for doing it next year... a bit late? wslm NMA  |
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Post by mrakhtar on Nov 4, 2007 16:50:03 GMT
Im not really sure as to what is happening with this event at all--
is anyone actually invovled in organising it or are we just sort of going along with it??
and shaarifa i agree with you - firstly nobody's number should be put on a poster - secondly even if it was surely the person should be informed of it!!
The responsibility lies with Abdul alim primarily as he is president and should have checked this before authorising it (and if you didnt abdul , then now you know that you need to make clear that nobody confirms anything unless it has been passed by you first) and secondly the responsibility lies with sana as i believe she is the one in charge of this event?
Do we have a structure of this event? What is going to happen? Who is coming? What exactly are you going to teach these kids that is worthwhile and effective and most importantly worth their £20?...
I feel all these questions need to be answered -- in the mean while we definetly will be going ahead with our annual RUMS ISoc Mock Interivew sessions in the first weekend of the XMAS hols -- this is not being substituted or replaced by this 'getting into med school event' ...
Shaarifa how about we incorporate the advice to graduates at the rums isoc mock interview sessions?
Wasalaam
Rashid
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Post by mrakhtar on Nov 4, 2007 16:52:03 GMT
By the way NMA where on earth have you been?? you went missing for a long while!
We've got your T-shirt reserved -- and we need you to come buy it ! lol..
also you didnt come to the eid dinner-- how comes?
ws
rashid
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Post by Sana :) on Nov 4, 2007 21:23:57 GMT
Asalaamu alaikum  1. Sincere apologies shaarifa for your number being on the poster. I did send the poster to you and shirin for checking as soon as i made it after you guys agreed to head the event, but my fault for not specifically mentioning that it was ur number, i just assumed that it was ok since you hadn't said anything about it.  please contact me directly if you are still upset about it, insha'Allah i will explain myself further and I hope you will forgive this mishap!! Wrt NMA's comment, i have been to many isoc events over the years, and for the wider appeal events there has usually been a contact number on the poster. i wasn't aware that our isoc doesn't do this; i thought it was normal practice. apologies again for my mistake. this is not abdul alim's fault it is totally my responsibility as I made the poster, feel free to call me if you have any further concerns as such sensitive matters should not be dealt with on an open forum. 2. with regards to Rashid's post, yes as soon as I had thought of the idea, i spoke to you first then abdul alim. both of you said ok, so i asked shirin and shaarifa to head it, and they said yes also. i am not in charge of this event, although i have made the poster, replied to all emails to the account, spread the word via the internet as much as i could, and made the plan/schedule for the event date (yes, there is a plan which i did forward to you also Rashid!), and tried my best to liaise with shirin, shaarifa, rashid (via email), and adbul (via phone). I am sorry that this event has not 'taken off' in the way that i would have liked, but one person cannot make an event happen despite their best efforts and intentions. Definitely there has been a communication error; if i am to blame for this failure, than again i am sorry, although i believe once an event is agreed upon everyone should pull their weight and lessen the work of their brothers and sisters. SubhanALLah there is so much reward in this event, yet nobody seems to show any enthusiasm? I am quite perplexed  3. Wrt the event being canceled, i spoke briefly to adbul alim a few days back, and he agreed that if approx 8 ppl reply than we should carry on with this event on the 10th as scheduled. i think we will probably get 8 people, but with so little support for this event from the main exec i would be surprised if we can manage to cater for even 8 people on the day  lastly i am sorry for hoping that everyone would see this event as I do: a fresh way to branch out our efforts towards Charity week whilst also crucially helping prospective med students in the process. i realise that one person's vision is not always shared by the majority. regardless i am satisfied that my time was spent usefully even if the event doesn't work out, it is now mainly up to Abdul Shirin and Shaarifa to decide what will happen . Please feel free to contact me with further concern, Hope everyone is well and not too angry with me  Take care Wassalamu alaikum |
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Post by mrakhtar on Nov 4, 2007 23:20:15 GMT
Asalaam, sorry sana, partly my fault - i have been getting your emails but with all the stuff ive getting for charity week, uni stuff etc i havnt had time to go thru all the ins and outs ...would it be possible to post up the structure etc of teh event and the plans up here on the forums too? and maybe we could start getting a proper discussion going... how many ppl have we got confirmed for this event? shaffs how many ppl called you~? and have u still got their numbers by any chance? that way we can establish some proper contacts and get this event off the ground.. 8 ppl means £160,, i'm sure we could get more students, but i think in order to increase advertising by word of mouth we need to be able to sell the students the event...and ppl can only do so if they truly believe it is going to be beneficial themselves etc...but definetly i think this is a v good idea and other unis have already praised us for taking the initiative with this event! check www.isocnews.com .... either way we need a meeting to discuss these issues asap ...let us know where and when abdul.. tc iA ws |
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Post by shaffs on Nov 5, 2007 14:55:37 GMT
AA
if there is going to be a meeting for this event please dont do it on weds!i cant make any wed meetings.
Shaffs
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Post by NMA on Nov 5, 2007 21:26:26 GMT
AA, MrAkhtar- I didn't go anywhere... I have checked into the forums on a regular basis, I just havn't written anything in a while. Sana- a number of points. Regardless of what other ISocs do, it certainly was at one point a contravention of union regs to put personal contacts on a soc event. So much so we were at one point considering getting a PAYG sim card for the soc. Even if it is now permissible, I believe it would at the least be frowned upon. As to whose respsonsibility anything is, thats very simple- it is the Presidents responsibility. Ultimately, anything and everything related to the soc is, including knowing the rules and regs. sorry. This is more for all of you- on the subject of communication breakdown, here is a little history of the forum. When I started it, all planning was locked off, i.e. not available to the general public. Times were different then, and in due course a new exec committee took over, and the forum planning areas were made public, so that more people could get involved incidentally, so more ideas could be contributed. This was reasonable at the time. But if it isn't used, then it's not gonna work. Yes, a meeting is needed to sort a lot of this out. In the good old days, we used to meet once a week- Thursdays, from about 5:15, in the Rockerfeller cafe. Does anyone do this still? If not, then it really should be restarted- this week perhaps? wslm NMA |
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Post by abdulalim on Nov 6, 2007 11:39:14 GMT
Salaam,
Apologies for my delay in responding via the forum.
i have discussed the "getting into medical school event" with Sana and have we have agreed that iA it will go through nevertheless of the turnout as there is a demand from a few people at the moment.
the confusion of the productivity of this event was due to the fact that there will for sure be an event in December similar to last year (interviews, tips, and other new ideas that will be discussed on a seperate thread iA) and this saturdays event being similar to the one coming in december but with less time to plan and promote and the cost factor may also be an instant barrier to many, and hence we had to postpone the date for the event from the 3rd to the 10th in order to see if we can obtain a greater turnout.
The added incentive for this event in saturday is the fact that the it will boost our total for CW this year. However the disadvantage that was spotted is that the people who turn up this saturday may feel "ripped" off by if the event in December is Free or just £5 (this is still awaiting to be confirmed as few costs need to decided upon iA) after having paid £20 for their event. But after having discussed with Sana, we have come to a conclusion that iA as they do know the money is going towards charity and hence they shouldnt mind about this fact, and we should be able to allow them to come for free (if there is a £5 cahrge) for the december event if want to.
Now what needs to be done is obtainig volunteers for the event this saturday, so if anyone is free this saturday to help out please post up on the forums or get in touch myself/Sana/Shirin/Shaarifa through sending a private message via the forums or can email me at abdul.alim92@gmail.com
Sana, Shirin, Shaarifa have got the layout of the day so if you can post that up on the forums that would be great.
with regards to having a meeting for the event this week, the days availiable are today (which i assume is a short notice), tommorw (which Shaarifa cant make) so i think the meeting should be on Thursday at 5.15pm in the rockerfellar cafe. I will psot this up on the appropriate thread and also send out an email iA.
With regards to your query (NMA) about the weekly meetings, last year it was every tuesday and we wanted to cary on this year being on Tuesdays again but UCL ISoc Shurah meeting has been now moved to this day and having discussed with Rashid, we decided that the Weekly Meetings will be on Mondays at 5.15pm iA. (again i will post/email this out appropriately) the reason we havent started weekly meetings was due to initially Ramadhan and then Eid dinner which required shifting the meetings from different days due to issues that required to be resolved and the people involved regarding that particular issue not being able to make the proposed meeting date/time.
My sincere apologies for the mishap for the mistake on the poster as i forogt about the union policy about contact details when looking through the poster. I can assure you that this wont happen again iA.
Wassalaam
AbdulAlim
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Post by abdulalim on Nov 7, 2007 20:28:49 GMT
Salaam,
After alot of feedback from people, I have come to a decision that the event "getting into medical school" planned for this saturday will be postponed to the 15th of December for which i hvae submitted the room bookings, this will allow us to plan, promote greater to target a wider audience iA. Additionally the cost for Entry will not be £20 but rather £5 for the students. I have requested room bookings for the following rooms yesterday:
-Cruciform Lecture Theatre 2
-2 curuciform Foyer Seminar Rooms
-5 basement rooms
I know many may say that i have overbooked rooms, but i have good reasons to do so and i will outline them when i post up the proposed layout of the day and how we will utilise these rooms iA. i will do this in a few days iA, i also plan to start promoting as soon as the room bookings come through iA, and the poster is edited withe the new details.
I would like to however thank Sana for her hard work in trying organise this event for a worthy cause, which unfortunately had to be posptponed, if iA this event in december does become a Success as it is in other Uni's we can have this more earlier in the term from next year iA, allowing us to also raise for CW.
Wassalaam
AbdulAlim
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Post by abdulalim on Nov 9, 2007 21:25:44 GMT
Salaam,
just to let you know that alhumdulillah the room bookings for the rooms as listed in my previous post has been confirmed by room bookings. Now iA Sana will edit the poster over the weekend iA and then we can start our promotion for the event, hopefully a month before the event.
Wassalaam
AbdulAlim
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Post by abdulalim on Nov 13, 2007 21:22:14 GMT
Salaam, the proposed plan as discussed in the meeting is as follows: Event: getting into medschool Date: 15th December 2007 Rooms booked: LT2, 2 seminar rooms,5 basement rooms for interview panels Entry fee: £5 (after discussion in the meeting, lunch will not be included as previously thought, but general snacks will be provided) timeline of the day9.30/9.35 – 9.40 Intro and run through of schedule with the students 9.40-10.00 - brief history of medicine and what it can encompass, and perhaps breilfy how medicine was taught 10-11am – representatives of 5 universities giving info about their course structure (roughly 10-12 mins), lectures, PBLs?, prayer facilities, Hospital sites OR having one person going through the different universities which will save the students being bored for an hour with similar repitition
11.00-11.15 a very brief overview of FY1, FY2, MTAS, different paths of specialities, prvoding website links for further reading. 11.15-11.30 break and snacks for everyone (from 11.15-11.20 break limitation announced for the 5 first interviewees) see later on for explanation as to why After break A2 level and AS level students are seperated into 2 different timetables Timetable for AS level Students in LT211.30-11.50 pdersonal statement structure, tips, and adviceand Q+A 11.50-12.10 advice about work experience, what type to get, where to approach (provide links) , past examples of peoples experiences... 12.10-12.40 very briefly going through the structure of BMAT and UKCAT with some tips and advice 12.40 -1.30 lunch and Zuhar Salaah 1.30 – 2.00 play out what we think a Good interview & Bad interview are in terms of body language, speech...similar to ULU ISoc one in their open day last year and Q&A 2.00pm-2.10pm finishing comments 2.10pm tour of UCL in groups by 2 medical students. A2 Level Students in a Seminar room and basement rooms 11.20am first interview commences on all 5 panels in the basement rooms, If an interview lasts~12-15 mins and then feedback for 5 mins , then overall per student is ~20 mins iA. Therefore in an hour 1 panel can see 3 students, or 5 panels can see 15 students, therefore in 3 hours 45 people can be interviewed (give or take few mins) 11.30am onwards – A2 students are all in a seminar Room where they are split in small groups 7-8 with a medical student who goes through with them all their worries. And also what was discussed in the meeting was having a basic life support class for them in different groups, so as Clinical suites centre is closed on saturday, the ideas that have come to light are to a pproach saving londeners lives and St johns ambulances to come and help out for this. please comment on this suggestion and if you do know anyone who can help out to make this feasible please do post up or let me knowTherefore from 11.30-12.40pm the A2 students are either in the seminar rooms or having Interviews and at
12.40pm -1.30pm Lunch and Zuhar Prayer 1.30pm -3.20pm carry on with seminar room session and interviews, this will allow us to cater for 45 student interviews. 3.20-3.50pm general feedback on interviews and discussion about common mistakes 3.50pm-4pm closing remarks, and perhaps a tour after? Therefore 9.30am -4pm is proposed timeline of the day iAsome of the other ideas that came up during the meeting are: - cater for graduate entry applicants also as we have 4-5 succesful graduate entrants helping out (giving advice, going through how they went about applying, the work experineces and so on) this can be feasible to follow through - Approach Aim Higher or/and widening participitation for support/sponsership/promotion - perhaps approach MPS this time for sponsership as we approached MDU for the Eid Dinner - people can purcahse thier tickets online also, through google checkout which should be running on our website by the end of the week iA so what needs to be done now iA is as follwos:- finalise the poster and description and start mailing out from wednesday evening and thursday
- the poster and the description will be forwarded out to the mailing list, so can everyone take the initiative to promote it on all the avenues that may be lacking, or post up or let me know iA
- Approach "saving londeners lives" / st johns ambulances for assistance with the basic life support session
- Approach Aim higher/widening participation/MPS/MDU for support/funds/promotion
- Need to sign up volunteers for the event, so can everyone forward this message on to as many people as you know and post up on the forums with your confirmation (i will send out an email and try to get in contact with as many people as i can). I would like to emphasis that this event is open for all so please do encoaurage your non mulslim freinds to help out as well
- Volunteering for the event can rage from sitting on the interview pannel, presenting in the lecture theatre, small group work in the seminar rooms, giving tours, and general help for the event to runs smoothly.
- i will post up and also send out in the mailing list all the deadline for the students who want to come, and the methods on how to apply. the dealine will be for submitting their personal statements and also so that we can get an accurate figure of how many epople turning up.
so if every one can post up with thier comments regarding the layout of the day with suggestions/alterations/ and also try to get in touch with any orgainsation that may be helpful, and encourage as many volunteers to help out and also pass the message on to everyone they know, be it family members, freinds, previos/local schools/colleges, forums,... wassalaam AbdulAlim |
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Post by Sana :) on Nov 13, 2007 23:14:32 GMT
Salaam
Apologies for not being at the meeting. Jzk for posting up this so quickly. my thoughts:
better to have a talk on ''how you will be taught medicine'' ie what to expect from the general med schools. DR's, lecs, PBL, etc etc. Pre-clins, clins. Etc. At the end a few short slides on what each uni does differently, then POINT to the Uni Reps and say ''find these ppl throughout ur day to ask any specific q's abt their uni''
this should all be a part of 1 talk , ie ''medical school overview and becoming a doctor'', or ''medical school and beyond!'' (or smthg to that effect). no need to split up timings as it bcoms difficult to keep the times as specified. keep it all in one powerpoint i say.
no scheduled time for break i think. rather, when you split up the group for small group work, have food there so they can munch as they please. trust me they will mingle in between stuff without us having to schedule it in.
this is majorly impportant stuff. why does the AS schedule end at 210? this should be more detailed and emphasised
i think the good/bad interview should be played more importantly for A2's before their mock interviews. Why are we showing the AS's??
this is very important. the AS students should be similarly split to groups to discuss their futures and worries with med students.
Also, are they not allowed interviews should they want them? perhaps priority to A2's but if there is space the AS's can sign up.
For the Clinical skills thing, i think it would be nice to do this, with all the students. We could fit this in once we have confirmation of equipment if we can get it. They will all want to join in as its the fun bit!
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Post by Sana :) on Nov 13, 2007 23:52:45 GMT
also, 5£ is too little in my opinion. ppl pay for quality, will it put them off coming? for 10£ we can include food, and its still cheap without mkg us look too cheap. just my thoughts on it tc wassalam |
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please contact me directly if you are still upset about it, insha'Allah i will explain myself further and I hope you will forgive this mishap!! Wrt NMA's comment, i have been to many isoc events over the years, and for the wider appeal events there has usually been a contact number on the poster. i wasn't aware that our isoc doesn't do this; i thought it was normal practice. apologies again for my mistake. this is not abdul alim's fault it is totally my responsibility as I made the poster, feel free to call me if you have any further concerns as such sensitive matters should not be dealt with on an open forum.
